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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Going Absolutely buggy</title>
<meta http-equiv="content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<meta name="mssmarttagspreventparsing" content="true" />
<meta name="keywords" content="demo,test,big john,big,john,positioniseverything,css,html,what else do you want from me!?" />
<meta name="description" content=" This demo shows absolute positioning variance and bugs. " />
<meta name="distribution" content="global" />
<meta name="resource-type" content="document" />
<meta name="robots" content="all" />
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no" />
<link rel="SHORTCUT ICON" href="favicon.ico" />
<style type="text/css">
html {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
body {margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 80%;
background: #eff; height: 60em;}
.alignright {margin-top: 0; text-align: right;}
.small {font-size: .9em;}
a {border: 0; color: #000;}
p {margin: 5px 10px;}
img {Position: absolute;}
img#moz {top: 290px; left: 30px;}
img#ie {top: 390px; left: 30px;}
img#op6 {top: 490px; left: 30px;}
img#omni {top: 590px; left: 30px;}
div#mozcaption {position: absolute; top: 290px; left: 125px; width: 90px; font-size: .9em;}
div#iecaption {position: absolute; top: 390px; left: 125px; width: 90px; font-size: .9em;}
div#opcaption {position: absolute; top: 490px; left: 125px; width: 90px; font-size: .9em;}
div#omnicaption {position: absolute; top: 590px; left: 87px; width: 118px; font-size: .9em;}
h1 {
font-size: 22px;
text-align: center;
border-bottom: 3px solid #fff;
background: #000;
margin: 0;
color: #fff;
padding: 3px;
}
h2 {
font-size: 1.2em;
text-align: center;
border-top: 5px solid #fff;
border-bottom: 5px solid #fff;
background: #966;
margin: .2em 0;
color: #ffa;
padding: 3px;
}
h3 {
margin: 15px 0 7px;
font-size: 1.1em;
}
/**** Demo rules ****/
#rightcol {
position: absolute;
top: 90px;
left: 220px;
right: 1.5em;
border: 1px solid #000;
padding: 15px;
background: #ffd;
margin-right/* hide from IE5.0/Win */ : 1.5em;}
/*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
The previous rule and the following rule is for the purpose of making IE5/mac honor the 1.5em
spacing on the right side of #rightcol. IE5/mac does not obey the 'right' property at all. It does
obey 'margin-right' but IE6/win does not (because of the opposing 'left' property). The rule below
withholds the 'right' value from Moz, and also re-feeds the 'margin-right' to IE5/mac, which fails to
read it in the previous rule, along with IE5.win. Good Ghod, has it really come to this?
http://www.dzr-web.com/misc/ie-right-positioning/
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX*/
html>body #rightcol {
right: 0;
margin-right: 1.5em;
}
/************** rules for demo ******************/
#content-area {
height:100%;
width:100%;
background: #999;
color: #9fc;
}
#container {
position: absolute;
top: 90px;
left: 30px;
width: 80px;
height: 80px;
background: #bde;
padding: 20px;
border: 20px solid #c33;
}
* html #container { /* Only IE sees these rules, but the escapes '\' hide the second pair from IE5.x/win */
width: 160px;
height: 160px;
w\idth: 80px;
hei\ght: 80px;
}
/**** The above is the Tan hack to fix the IE5.x box model error.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack See: 'A Modified SBMH' ****/
#leftbox {
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
left: 0px;
width: 40px;
height: 40px;
background: #23f;
border: 12px solid #000;
}
* html #leftbox {
width: 64px;
height: 64px;
w\idth: 40px;
he\ight: 40px;
}
#rightbox {
position: absolute;
bottom: 0px;
right: 0px;
width: 40px;
height: 40px;
background: #acb;
border: 12px solid #262;
}
* html #rightbox {
width: 64px;
height: 64px;
w\idth: 40px;
he\ight: 40px;
}
#innerleft {
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
left: 0px;
width: 8px;
height: 8px;
background: #a53;
border: 4px solid #ff8;
}
* html #innerleft {
width: 16px;
height: 16px;
w\idth: 8px;
he\ight: 8px;
}
#innerright {
position: absolute;
bottom: 0px;
right: 0px;
width: 8px;
height: 8px;
background: #f00;
border: 4px solid #fff;
}
* html #innerright {
width: 16px;
height: 16px;
w\idth: 8px;
he\ight: 8px;
}
</style>
<script src="//ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.9.1/jquery.min.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="/scripts/init.js"></script>
</head>
<body>
<h1>
Going Absolutely Buggy
</h1>
<h2>
Absolute boxes inside absolute boxes
</h2>
<!-- start of demo -->
<div id="container">
<div id="leftbox">
<div id="innerleft"></div>
</div>
<div id="rightbox">
<div id="innerright"></div>
</div>
<div id="content-area"></div>
</div>
<!-- end of demo -->
<img src="images/Moz1.gif" width="80px" height="80px" id="moz" />
<div id="mozcaption">
Mozilla 1,<br />IE5/Mac,<br />Opera 7
</div>
<img src="images/IE5.5.gif" width="80px" height="80px" id="ie" />
<div id="iecaption">
IE5.5/Win<br />IE6/Win
</div>
<img src="images/Op6.gif" width="80px" height="80px" id="op6" />
<div id="opcaption">
Op6/Win<br />Op6/mac
</div>
<img src="images/omniweb.gif" width="42px" height="82px" id="omni" />
<div id="omnicaption">
Omniweb.<br /><br />
Op6 has competition.
</div>
<div id="rightcol">
<p class="alignright">
<a href="index-2.html"><strong>Return to p.i.e.</strong></a>
</p>
<h3>The demo</h3>
<p>
This one is based entirely on absolute positioning. div#container
(thick brown border) is positioned using 'left' and 'top', and has equal width and height (80px).
It contains two absolute boxes, (black and green borders) and a static div to show the
content area, (grey box) and thus the padding area as well (light blue around grey box).
<strong>Note:</strong> Without the fixed dimensions on div#container, browser behavior
would vary wildly. See <a href="abs_relbugs.html">Absolutely Buggy II</a> to view this behavior.
</p>
<p>
The green and black bordered boxes are positioned to opposite corners by applying '0px'
on top/left and bottom/right respectively. They each enclose a small box positioned
the same way. All boxes are dimensioned as squares, and Tan hack (for the IE5.x incorrect box model,
see source) is applied to all the boxes.
</p>
<p>
Below are screenshots of this demo.
</p>
<h3>The behaviors</h3>
<p>
It is assumed that earlier browsers will have 'difficulties' with this demo.
</p>
<p>
The mighty Gecko engine (Moz, N6/7) renders flawlessly.
IE5/Mac appears identical to Moz. Opera 7 is also correct.
</p>
<p>
IE/Win is close, considering it's IE. But notice those vertically stretched small boxes?
It appears that IE will not allow the 'height' of these absolute boxes to be less than the 'line-height'.
However, this applies only to the big and little boxes. The middle sized boxes will strangely
honor 'height:0px'.
</p>
<p>
However, such a bug will only rarely affect a page. Not so with Opera 6.
</p>
<h3>Oh, my aching back!</h3>
<p>
Please note that in Op6 the black and green bordered
boxes are (as one unit)
exactly the same size as the grey content area. (!) It would seem that Opera is rendering the demo
by first placing the container without any padding or borders. Then the contained absolute boxes
are placed accordingly. Finally, the specified padding and borders are applied to the container box,
which stretches it down and right <em>without affecting those contained boxes.</em>
The same goes for the little boxes.
</p>
<p>
This is a big problem (if you care about Op6). Don't assume you'll correct it with a wrapper div either,
because the bug will infect that div as well.
</p>
<h3>The Fix</h3>
<p>
Don't use borders or padding on such a container. If you must,
an absolutely positioned div may be positioned over (or under) the container,
so as to provide 'substitute' borders and padding.
</p>
<p>
Happily, Opera 7 has fixed this problem, and now plays nice with absolute positioning.
Bow thrice in the direction of Norway, please.
</p>
<h3>Whoops!</h3>
<p>
Those using Op7.1 may notice that the demo is missing its grey content area, supplied by a nested div BG.
This was pointed out to me by
<a href="http://www.designdetector.com/"><strong>Chris Hester</strong></a>.
See <a href="op-omnibus/boxbug.html"><strong>this page</strong></a> for details on a brand new Opera bug!
</p>
<h3>Update January 2007</h3>
<p>
According to reports, the more recent <strong>Omniweb</strong> versions correctly
display the demo on this page. Way to go, guys!
</p>
<h3>Update July 2008</h3>
<p>
All the modern browsers now handle this demo properly, and IE7 has corrected IE's
"no box shorter than the lineboxes" problem as well, so it too exactly matches the others.
Well, that's one battle won...
</p>
<br />
<p class="small alignright">
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