cnc-ddraw 6.8 & DDrawcompat 0.5.4 for Cs_gctt, CarmenTQC. & Scooby Bugman on 7+ Only. Supports 99% from the Learning Company except Not using fullscreen exclusive Games. (Use Windows ME) #316
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I'm not sure if this is spam or a bad translation - Please post this again without translation and I'll translate on my own |
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this is not spam it is true, that we are group of people remastering the learning company. and we seen that the new cnc-ddraw 7.4. has improved the games engine. i will need to figure out what was unclear the title or was it the statement about what the issue is |
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Keep it short, just post a link to the file and the exact issues it got. Example: ReaderRabbit2.7z - Black screen |
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This level here? I can move in there just fine 2024-05-24.23-21-55.mp4 |
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that is indeed the level and boat level picture. it appears not working on vmware player with VMware tools. it is working on our laptop with intel gpu. sorry we test out 7 different operating systems mostly windows 2000, we don't usually check on real hardware as for the learning company it is not working that great on our laptops or vmware player. we are in the process of making the list. |
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forget to say our password is 802734, for google drive file. Cluefinders games: Screen flickering, discoloration on 32-bit, widescreen might be unstable. All cluefinders games, More so with intel hd graphics 4600 or later, Cnc-ddraw is needed to fix 16-bit bug on Windows Vista & 7, even on real hardware that supports 16-bit colors. Intel hd graphics 4600 or later not effected it supports 32-bit colors only. ClueFinders' 4th.iso= some photos are not shown same as our loptop on intel 6th generation. ClueFinders 5th.iso= same as ClueFinders' 4th.iso but worse on vmware and our loptop. ClueFinders 6th.iso= not as bad as cluefinders 4th but it appears. CFMATH(2002).iso= not as bad as cluefinders 4th but it appears. CF Reading.iso= most stable quite playable. charterers flickering although just vmware.
All Reader rabbit games more bugged than clue finders: Screen flickering, discoloration on 32-bit, black screen on 3 games 16-bit colors not working on vmware tools only although cnc-ddraw 6.4 does fix this. RRTODDLER.iso includes 3 games. Only rrbaby.exe appears to work but really unstable.
RRReading46.iso= black screen even Alt+tab is unstable. (Sound Working) RRReading69.iso=black screen even Alt+tab is unstable. (Sound Working)
RRM6_9CD (2002).iso= Alt+tab is unstable for discoloration on 32-bit. Learn To Read (2002).iso= Alt+tab is unstable even character flickering.
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What is the password for these files? |
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the 802734 is the password sorry about that |
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I have identified most of the problems in Clue Finders 4th, still need to change a few more things (Will do that the next days) Here's already a test build for Clue Finders 4th: I did not test the other games yet, but maybe you guys can give it a try already. I'll have a look into them soon |
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cluefinders 4th-6th no issues. cluefinders 3rd grade and reading 6-9 you need to go to practice mode for hooking to work. Reader Rabbit greatly improved, still in bad shape compared to clue finders. RRTODDLER.iso includes 3 games, Fly the Dreamship.exe was fixed under cnc-ddraw-ClueFinders.zip unlike 6.5 did not hook, & rrbaby.exe performance issues mostly fixed although 15-20 fps somewhat low not as bad it's 2 out of 3, as for RRM6_9CD (2002).iso. same as learn to read (2002), it will only hook thru practice mode for some reason. we just discovered that TLC Launcher.exe included in 2002 builds is also DirectDraw which pressing play does freeze. we have to remove it from our upgrades source installer code. but it is hooking for the 1st time, I guess that is props. that includes Scooby doo case file #1, the glowing Bigman although mean game does not hook. update may 26 8: 45 am we tested all Scooby-doo by our upgrades installers by the learning company we believe Scooby-Doo, Case File #1 Bug Man looks like DirectDraw 7, but for some reason does not hook with cnc-ddraw. it might be Direct3d, we doubt it. even found this site https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DirectDraw_games (again that site might be mistaken). Scooby-Doo, Case File #1, this is not originals, we made this to cox it to work with Windows 8-8.1. as of windows 10 build 2004, your only option is this guy This installer was made outside of our team, named Windows 11 SophieAyase compliance |
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Ah nice, I will check out the other games to see what's wrong with them. ClueFinders 3rd and 5th don't install for me, do you know anything about this problem?
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they was a bug in the 1999 build that includes DSSAGENT.exe that brakes with windows 8+. as for newer hardware use this, those are installer upgrades so, they not will tested expect with 22 people. [Fifth Grade Adventures - CD] cluefinders 5th https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s51YqXKhNiYRvCwRNsZVGi4i5s5LHyok/view?usp=drive_link if this does not work with some cases with people, just go to C:\Program Files (x86)\The Learning Company\ClueFinders 5th Grade Adventures. and remove the folder. |
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Thanks, I will try your updated installers. Do you also have updated installers for the other games? I tested all and some of them are not working either. Here are my test results: ClueFinders 3rd.iso
ClueFinders 4th.iso
ClueFinders 5th.iso
ClueFinders 6th.iso
CFMATH(1998).ISO
CF Reading.iso
CFMATH(2002).ISO
Learn To Read.iso
RRM6_9CD (2002).ISO
RRReading46.iso
RRReading69.iso
RRTODDLER.ISO
Scooby-Doo, Case File #1 Bug Man.iso
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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13P8pzkr_4Tabw1RzHfPWxmtgXTp48Ehv?usp=drive_link this is all of our upgrades installer projects. (Due note we do not support windows 9x putting it under compatibility mode, will likely not work. we are targeting windows 2000 barely supported to later.) |
rtoddler.iso= Installer doesn't work - "Cannot create directory". that is surprising. is that windows 7, on real hardware. or is that on a virtual machine. we also trad it on our loptop with intel hd graphics 4000, 4600, 520 even 620. im wondering is this NVidia or AMD. im thinking, we need to expend our hardware outside of intel graphic's. |
Nice thanks, I will try them
I tested first on windows 7 32bit SP1 and it did not work - then I switched to Windows XP 32bit SP3 and it also didn't work there. All tests were done on VMware
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ok we will test this on windows x86, we only support x64 windows. that is odd we try windows 7 x86 and xp x86. |
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Just tested your new installers - they all have the same problem "Cannot create directory" |
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this is odd we are using vmware workstation pro paid, now its free thru Broadcom, 17.5.1 with vmware tools 12.4.0, with windows6.1-kb3125574-v4-x86_ba1ff5537312561795cc04db0b02fbb0a74b2cbd https://github.com/abbodi1406/vcredist/releases/download/v0.82.0/VisualCppRedist_AIO_x86only.exe we even triad Windows xp x86 with https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_xp_service_pack_4_unofficial.html is C:\Users\Public\Documents\The Learning Company\TLC Launcher we even tried installing 8 different 2002 builds from cerman sanderigo, to clue finders, to reader rabbit, star flyers. even Oregon trail 5th edition we are trying to corrupt it, reinstalling, put it on read only. northing. |
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something just occurred to us are you useing doeman tools lite 10.2. also known as DTLite1020-0116.exe. |
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It aborts the installation, so there no files on the system. I also trried to remove all other files from the folder (CF 4.4) and also tried compatibility mode, nothing worked for me. I'm using VMware player 15 - With the free "Windows XP Mode" aka "VirtualXPVHD.vhd" (you can download this from many places like archive.org) On Windows XP I use Deamon tools lite 4.35.5.0068 |
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we trad Virtual CloneDrive 5.5.2.0 under windows xp it worked, despite being made at 2020. we are now going to test vmware player 15 now with our windows 7 loptop. |
RRReading46.iso
RRReading69.iso
cnc-ddraw-learning-company-test2.zip Now I have tested all games that run for me - Can't continue now (need to fix the "Cannot create directory" error somehow) |
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Ok We give-up we used vmware player 15.5.7, we can not found or locate "Cannot create directory" error. but we did test cnc-ddraw-learning-company-test2.zip all cluefinders appers fine no issues at this time. likely for cluefinders they are alternate installers. all are latest except 3rd grade due to issues, with the 32-bit release under windows 10, we don't remember why SophieAyase operated for ms-dos versions. as for RRReading46.iso and RRReading69.iso cnc-ddraw cannot do much. this we have to disagree we get emails quite regularly. that NVIDIA has color related issues with the games. 2 people did respond and fixed they issue. also it is a pain in a virtualization environment all though we never have such an issue. but we are surprise it is GDI though, as for reader rabbit they is no installer alternatives. as only issues are virtualization environment & never at real hardware. so it was no demand for it. RRTODDLER.ISO still has a bug with RRTW32.exe refuses to hook altogether. oddly the 1998 version does fully wotk. https://archive.org/details/redump-id-80443 |
It is strange that I get the same error on different systems. Maybe It's because my windows are german language? What game is still not working with cnc-ddraw? Or are all working good now? |
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other than RRTODDLER.ISO. no issue everything is resolved. they is a miner bug that all clue finders, that if, DisplayFullScreen=1 to 0 it will not hook. however not a big deal as all originals has 1 be defeat. it looks everything is working good. 3 years ago we had a user in Russia. that games in the 2002 builds did not install, in that time we had Japanese language and English. and never figured out why it did not work. |
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again Thick you reopen if you think it is not resolved. |
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sorry no dice with clean |
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yes it works, we have to force opengl mode, for some reasen it wants GDI, which should not be useing but works. |
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@MicahMoo11 Can you check if this one here still works on windows 2000? |
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i am 90% sure it will work with windows 2000, as we trad windows me with extended kernel it worked. |
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Yes, the old build worked. This is a new one now with some features added |
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the new one worked with windows me. we will be testing windows 2000 soon |
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to my surprise no because of addvectoredexceptionhandler kernel32.dll. whish ME extended kernel supports. ill try windows update with legacy update to be more up to date. |
Nice, thanks for testing. Yes, that's one of the new things I added. I will try to fix it |
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Ok I fixed the windows 2000 bug and I also made a new Windows ME release. This new release works now on windows ME without extended kernel and without opengl/direct3d hacks (I tested it on a clean ME virtual machine install) cnc-ddraw_winME_i486_mingw.zip Maybe it even works on 95/98 too, but I'm not sure
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as for windows 98 even SE imposable even with extended kernel (just tested). as for some reason it can't read ddraw.dll without a special way. that we got no idea about. we know of games that worked. those systems are out of lerk. again, nobody knows why, this and other oddities was reason we dropped windows 98 se 3 years ago. to the remaster installer projects. although we do offer limited existing engine improvements if the existing engine supports it. |
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Yes, you have to change 1 byte in the game exe then it works. Or maybe it can work with a proxy dll too, but I'm not sure |
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What game you have on win 98? Send me the game exe and we try it 👍 |
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i personally don't have windows 98, I don't want to test it's hard as, i have to apply, 5 patches just for VMware player, even of i did it will close due to CPU issues. ill test, but not a priory. this is the community https://www.retro-exo.com/exodos.html |
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this is one if the 5 https://github.com/JHRobotics/patcher9x |
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Ah okay, well then I keep it for windows ME only. I'm done now with all updates, here is the new build that will replace the old win2000 build: cnc-ddraw-winME-experimental-debuglog.zip |
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think you i wish i could help but adding windows 98 build is just not worth it, I'm showing this picture as patcher9x, is not reaquild if you instill this update. |
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I am getting pressure from the exodus community for a proper window 98 se fix. I'll try tomorrow but it is no guarantees. As it is 10 times harder than windows me. (not a exaggeration) In my opinion Windows ME is quote stable under virtualization. 98 se Is yikes in a lot of ways even have to reformat, (Windows ME never at this time). Even patches may not fix the problem. In my opinion the exodus community should contact you. |
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pare gdi renderers fully work as is in windows 98 se under build 4.10.2222B with Windows Security Update CD - February 2004 (A does not work on my end) [4294766533] 11:29:27.900 cnc-ddraw version = 6.9.0.1 (git~da99931, master) same over 200 times, [4294766533] 11:29:43.610 uMsg = WM_SHOWWINDOW (24), wParam = 00000000 (0), lParam = 00000000 (0, LO=0 HI=0) |
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as for pare DirectDraw impossible except girl talk game for some reason even than can't work. [4294737153] 11:41:04.520 cnc-ddraw version = 6.9.0.1 (git~da99931, master) |
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girltalk game error only one that works at all. than just can't GIRLTALK caused an invalid page fault in
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Nice. It's good to know that it at least works. Maybe someone else will do some more tests with it later with a real windows 98. How did you make it working? Did you only copied the files into the game folder and it worked? I think normally it does not load ddraw.dll from the game folder |
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game that relies on gdi rendering like reader rabbit reading ages 4-6 will work. you cannot convert to GDI it will break it. as for what i did is iv forced ddraw.dll from cnc-ddraw to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM, even hix edit, DX9B for Windows 98/Me basically, it looks hardcoded for C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM, |
cnc-ddraw can convert all games to GDI, so it will be fine
Ah okay, yeah that's a lot work. There must be a better solution, maybe with a proxy dll |
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as for proxy dll (not sure what that is). is that winmm.dll. or is that the cnc reroutes to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM, from they translate back to game exe folder. if this is the case this is way beyond me at this point. only one i know that might know will be JacobR, the thing is he is not interest for windows 98 same as me at this point. 5 hours for one game, not worth it. |
yes, like winmm.dll but with a different filename.
That's ok, windows 98 is not that important, at least we know now that it can work there |
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one more question about the windows me build are you going to add limited support for JHRobotics/vmdisp9x the old build appears to work with cnc-ddraw-winME-experimental-debuglog.zip direct3d 9c at less. |
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it should work, I didn't disable anything. If it doesn't work then send me some debug logs and I check |
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i just trad it does however you mast use native dx7 with 2d rendering only even than only with open gl or GDI. another option is Wined3d proxy with host to server GPU that has limited direct3d 7 & 9 support. DirectX 9c does not work as it is not a native port for any windows 9x. it is sharing your host GPU even intel not supported by VMware player. but works under HRobotics/vmdisp9x for some reason. yes, cnc-ddraw works to be honest here users are better off with Wined3d proxy for limited direct3d Support. by my testing's Direct3D 2,3,5,6,7__EnumDevices is not supported however IDirect3D 2, 3, 5, 6, 7__CreateDevice are fully supported. the games I tried bilbo even 3 alabama games even new ones, no issues. in my opinion yes cnc-ddraw possible, however Wined3d proxy is vastly superior it might not have true direct3d support, but it is the closes users will get for virtualization. besides if a game did had issues the user can just enable native dx7 with 2d rendering only. which to be honest having no Direct3d9c native support is not that important for most games, |
Update sep 28th, 2024, this post was originally made to fix Reader rabbit personalized reading ages 4-6. Version 3.0 original build even, clue finder's original 4th-6th grade editions. although works with pal-ddraw, more info here ayuanx/pal-ddraw#3
As of 6.8, it now fully works with 99% from the learning Company games. except 10 games.
reader rabbit toddler with RRTW32.exe (Due Note This Does Not Work with The XP Build of cnc-ddraw)
DDrawcompat 0.5.4 fully works with the following games. Scooby-doo case file#1 the glowing bug man, carmen Sandiego great chase through time & Carmen Sandiego's Think Quick Challenge only on 7+ (DirectDraw (Software) renderer only). This means it will not work with Direct3d. go to dxwrapper instead. Windows Vista, Due to WDDM and GDI issues mostly on Virtualization hypervisor even on Real hardware at times. for windows vista just use (just use Dxwnd) as for Cs_gctt & CarmenTQC no solution at this time Sorry, Due to Not using fullscreen exclusive Games.
Not using Fullscreen exclusive (these 12 games Link Below) are not compatible sense windows 2000 exception is Dr Seuss toddler and Carmen Sandiego Think Challenge even than fails under windows 8+ and don't advised Vista or 7 Due to extreme stabilitys & compatibility issues. At this time, they are no wrappers or emulators that has support except maybe DxWnd. Even than fails 80% of the time with 35 people testing with varies configurations, even imposable on 8+
Just use Windows ME for all Not using Fullscreen exclusive unless something changes.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AY-Z5Pqj86KyB-LjHoLuMKJpS-9Ty5tb?usp=drive_link
those are Learning-Creative (Vista-11-Bonus) Ver. 4 (Debug)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nax1XTAhQvYlurWbSma0kZ8aqFfdz8as?usp=sharing
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