diff --git a/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/meeting-notes.md b/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/meeting-notes.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..9cf5246 --- /dev/null +++ b/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/meeting-notes.md @@ -0,0 +1,286 @@ + + * WebAgents CG: TPAC 2025 (Nov. 10, 2025) + + +## Agenda + + * Welcome to the WebAgents CG + * Hypermedia Multi-Agent Systems + * Open Discussion \& Next Steps + * + +## Participants + + * Andrei Ciortea + * Samuel Schlesinger + * Ege Korkan + * Rem Collier + * Alan Buxey (MyUNiDAYS Ltd., Observing) + * Jérémy Lemée + * Binh Trong Hoang (Huawei) + * Euclid Ye (Huawei) + * Hisayuki Ohmata(NHK) + * Nour Nabil (Google Chrome) + * Lei Zhao + * Emily Lauber + * Chris Fredrickson (Google Chrome) + * Suresh Potti + * Siddhartha Pandey + * Tomoya Asai (WebDINO) + * Vasilii Trofimchuk (Block / Square) + * Michael Kleber (Google Chrome) + * Kenji Baheux (Google Chrome) + * Pierre-Antoine Champin (W3C) + * Ehsan Toreini (Samsung) + * Yi Gu (Google Chrome) + * Tatsuya Katsuhara (Digital Agency, Japan) + * Eiji Kitamura (Google) + * Will Abramson (Legendary Requirements) + * Kai Oisuhi (NTT) + * Vinod Panicker (Amazon Ads) + * Takahim Aritaki (Internet Academy) + * Kaliya Young (Identity Woman / Agentic Internet Workshop) + * Euclid Ye (Huawei) + * Aloiis Bissuel (Cito?) + * Dan Brickley (IE / Uneshoud Dads?) + * Samuel Kots (Google Chrome) + * Yasushi Minoya (Sony) + * Ehsan Toreini (Samsung) + * Kenji Baheux (Google) + * Kohei Watanabe (WebDino) + * Sarah Jennings (HM Government) + * Binh Trong Hoang (Huawei) + * Lionel Basdevant (Criteo) + * Nicolas Pena Moreno (Google) + * Yi Gu (Google) + * Jing Shen (Huawei) + * Isaac Foster (MSFT AOS) + * Maxime VONO (Criteo) + * Thomas Prieur (Criteo) + * Yehonatan Dani (Wix) + * Sarven Capadisli (TAG) + * Johann Hofmann (Google) + * Ryo Nakashima (Digital Agency, Japan) + * Erik Anderson (Microsoft) + * Philipp Pfeiffenberge (Google) + * Eric Trouton (Google) + * Chris Fredrickson (Google) + * Emily Lauber (Microsoft) + * Shinobu Ura (Line Yahoo) + * Dexter Yang (ByteDance / PICO OS) + * Lionel Wolberger + * (...) + * Song Xu (China Mobile) + * Ruoxi Ran (W3C) + + +## Regrets + + * Antoine Zimmermann + + +**Scribe**: Rem + + + +## Meeting Notes + + + +EK: Starts the Meeting + +EK: Presenting the Introduction to TPAC ([https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t4AzNfPKc-oXwq1OScHgW2EFQZkFxQYMJUOV-VSXb4w/edit?usp=sharing)](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t4AzNfPKc-oXwq1OScHgW2EFQZkFxQYMJUOV-VSXb4w/edit?usp=sharing)) + + + +EK: Asks Co-Chairs to introduce themselves + + + +AC: Introduces himself + + + +RC: Introduces himself + + + +EK: Introduces himself + + + +EK: Back to presenting slides + + + +AC: Takes over the podium and starts presenting - slides available: + + + +[https://github.com/w3c-cg/webagents/tree/main/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/Slides](https://github.com/w3c-cg/webagents/tree/main/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/Slides) + + + +AC: Introduces Interoperability TF aims and objectives + + + +AC: Overview of TF Report document structure + + + +AC: Moving on to discuss the topic of Agents on the Web + + + +AC: Presenting various historical perspectives on Agents (FIPA/Agent Cities; DARPA CoABS \& DAML) + + + +AC: Now presenting Agents and Web Services \& unpacking a richer model of MAS: environments, agents and organisations. + + + +AC: Moving on to discuss the role of the Web in this extended model. This includes an explanation of affordances and how they are realised on the Web. + + + +AC: Now discussing Architectural Design of hMAS + + + +AC: Presented Design Goals + + + +AC: Now presenting Architectural Patterns + + + +AC: Moving on to Architectural Constraints + + + +AC: Will skip the demonstrator + + + +EK: Makes call for comments + + + +Sarven: Can these agents misbehave / can the web be misused / what about accountability? + + + +AC: Pointed out the relevent sections of the report \& that there are members of the CG who are active researchers in these topics. + + + +Sarven: This is a good start + + + +AC: + + + +Lionel: Web Accessibility TF - method for making Web destinations clearer. There will be a presentation in 1hr that will discuss this topic and its relevence to Agentic. + + + +AC: This is something we call "Exploration Guidance" + + + +Lionel: Will bring the terminology + + + +Vasily: From Block. We have lots of information on how to use tools and representation formats. What are the limitations/hurdles on what tools are available now + + + +AC: Repeats: What are the biggest hurdles to using the web as it is now? + + + +Vasily: Confirms this is the question + + + +AC: It is tricky to deliver this without a shift - has parallels with Context Engineering; + + + +AC: Levels of support - reflective level of support - choosing what to sense and when + + + +AC: Perception is always the bottleneck + + + +AC: Is there something missing from what we have covered so far? + + + +Serven: Lot of talk about engineering? not enough about the impact on the web and on society + + + +AC: Thanks - a great point. We could add a section on Ethical Considerations + + + +RC: Definitely makes sense - we should consider it + + + +AC: Perhaps we can have a CG session on this in the near future + + + +Lionel: What other organisations are working in a similar domain? + + + +AC: Great question - maybe there are other people that are better placed to answer this. + + + +AC: We live in the age of open standards - there are many initiatives MCP, A2A, UTCP, that are industry-led and without being part of a standardization body. + + + +AC: The main standardisation bodies: IETF, IEEE, ... + + + +Kaliya Young: Runs an Internet Identity CG - 1st Agentic Identity Workshop? + +[https://agenticinternetworkshop.org/](https://agenticinternetworkshop.org/) + + + +AC: Definitely interested in exploring the intersection + + + +Kaliya: Setting up a second workshop, looking for a location, .. + + + +AC: Moving back to the Demonstrator + + + +AC: Two agents in a distributed hypermedia workspace for manufacturing + + + +EK: Final Remarks + + + +EK: Thank you for joining!