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Noah LSM Version Used by WRF #2079

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GGDLW opened this issue Jul 15, 2024 · 8 comments
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Noah LSM Version Used by WRF #2079

GGDLW opened this issue Jul 15, 2024 · 8 comments

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@GGDLW
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GGDLW commented Jul 15, 2024

Hello,

I am here today to find out which version of the Noah LSM that the WRF model uses. I was unsure which README document would contain this information. I want to be sure that the version of Noah that the LIS model is running is the same as the version of the Noah LSM that WRF is running.

@weiwangncar
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@cenlinhe Can you comment, if you know? Thanks!

@cenlinhe
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Unfortunately, I am not sure about the Noah version in WRF, but I guess the LIS Noah version is the Noah version in WRF v3.9. It is a question for David Mocko from LIS team who I believe implemented the Noah v3.9 to LIS.

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GGDLW commented Jul 15, 2024

I am currently using LIS 7.3, which had Noah version 3.6, does that mean that the version of WRF I am using (4.5) also uses Noah version 3.6?

@cenlinhe
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No, I do not think so. LIS includes both Noah v3.9 and Noah v3.6. So the Noah version in LIS was probably determined by the WRF version.

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GGDLW commented Jul 16, 2024

I got the news that WRF version 4.5.2 uses Noah LSM version 5.0 according to this thread: https://forum.mmm.ucar.edu/threads/noah-lsm-version.18191/

@cenlinhe
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Noah is different from Noah-MP. Noah-MP is now version 4.5 in WRFv4.5.2, and Noah-MP v5 is going to be coupled with WRF for the next year's major release.

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GGDLW commented Jul 16, 2024

Would it make sense for the Unified Noah LSM (sf_surface_physics option 2) to be the same version (4.5) as the Noah Multi-Parameter (sf_surface_physics option 4) in that case?

@cenlinhe
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The versioning of Unified Noah LSM is not very clear. Previously, people always use the same WRF version for the Unified Noah LSM version, but there is no official document or versioning for Noah now because we have stopped updating the Noah code (unless users want to include any physics update or bug fixes).

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