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Thanks @vivekgoe
My impression is that low-precision optimizer states and TE dependency are two separate topics, each worth its own discussions.
For low-precision optimizer states
In terms of dependency, I know that TE is an important and popular optimization library. However, torchtitan has been about pytorch native, prioritizing simplicity & maintainability, and platform neutral.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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@tianyu-l Thanks for detailed review comments. I agree It makes sense to separate out adopting low-precision optimizer states from creating TE dependency.
Regarding your question "Could you show evidences that this is becoming the default for training?", as far as I know DeepSeek pioneered this approach and I have not seen this used elsewhere, perhaps because support for this is not available in off the shelf optimizers.


I did a quick check on Qwen3-32B and LLama4-17Bx16e to confirm if models other than DeepSeek maintain quality (along with smaller memory footprint) with this feature, results look promising (see plots below). I can create a issue in pytorch repo to check if there is interest in adding this feature to torch.optim.adamw directly.
Regarding adding TE dependency, you make very valid arguments. As a short to medium term solution, will it be ok to move TE dependency to a new folder within experiment area so that users who wish to benefit from this feature can use it? Longer term we can add feature to native pytorch optimizer (assuming maintainers agree) and remove it from experiment area.
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The long-term plan sounds good to me.
For the short-term plan, the feedback we heard is that the current experiments folder is too messy, and we plan to clean things up (by deleting as much as possible). That doesn't mean we won't consider TE as an experiment, but we would like to see a clear vision and integration/maintenance plan, so that we can discuss and review together if it makes sense to the community. If it's just a feature like this fused adam optimizer, maybe showcasing it in a PR is good enough.
Hope it is not nonsense to you.