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+   * WebAgents CG: TPAC 2025 (Nov. 10, 2025)
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+## Agenda
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+   * Welcome to the WebAgents CG
+   * Hypermedia Multi-Agent Systems
+   * Open Discussion \& Next Steps
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+## Participants
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+   * Andrei Ciortea
+   * Samuel Schlesinger
+   * Ege Korkan
+   * Rem Collier
+   * Alan Buxey (MyUNiDAYS Ltd., Observing)
+   * Jérémy Lemée
+   * Binh Trong Hoang (Huawei)
+   * Euclid Ye (Huawei)
+   * Hisayuki Ohmata(NHK)
+   * Nour Nabil (Google Chrome)
+   * Lei Zhao
+   * Emily Lauber
+   * Chris Fredrickson (Google Chrome)
+   * Suresh Potti
+   * Siddhartha Pandey
+   * Tomoya Asai (WebDINO)
+   * Vasilii Trofimchuk (Block / Square)
+   * Michael Kleber (Google Chrome)
+   * Kenji Baheux (Google Chrome)
+   * Pierre-Antoine Champin (W3C)
+   * Ehsan Toreini (Samsung)
+   * Yi Gu (Google Chrome)
+   * Tatsuya Katsuhara (Digital Agency, Japan)
+   * Eiji Kitamura (Google)
+   * Will Abramson (Legendary Requirements)
+   * Kai Oisuhi (NTT)
+   * Vinod Panicker (Amazon Ads)
+   * Takahim Aritaki (Internet Academy)
+   * Kaliya Young (Identity Woman / Agentic Internet Workshop)
+   * Euclid Ye (Huawei)
+   * Aloiis Bissuel (Cito?)
+   * Dan Brickley (IE / Uneshoud Dads?)
+   * Samuel Kots (Google Chrome)
+   * Yasushi Minoya (Sony)
+   * Ehsan Toreini (Samsung)
+   * Kenji Baheux (Google)
+   * Kohei Watanabe (WebDino)
+   * Sarah Jennings (HM Government)
+   * Binh Trong Hoang (Huawei)
+   * Lionel Basdevant (Criteo)
+   * Nicolas Pena Moreno (Google)
+   * Yi Gu (Google)
+   * Jing Shen (Huawei)
+   * Isaac Foster (MSFT AOS)
+   * Maxime VONO (Criteo)
+   * Thomas Prieur (Criteo)
+   * Yehonatan Dani (Wix)
+   * Sarven Capadisli (TAG)
+   * Johann Hofmann (Google)
+   * Ryo Nakashima (Digital Agency, Japan)
+   * Erik Anderson (Microsoft)
+   * Philipp Pfeiffenberge (Google)
+   * Eric Trouton (Google)
+   * Chris Fredrickson (Google)
+   * Emily Lauber (Microsoft)
+   * Shinobu Ura (Line Yahoo)
+   * Dexter Yang (ByteDance / PICO OS)
+   * Lionel Wolberger
+   * (...)
+   * Song Xu (China Mobile)
+   * Ruoxi Ran (W3C)
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+## Regrets
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+   * Antoine Zimmermann
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+**Scribe**: Rem
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+## Meeting Notes
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+EK: Starts the Meeting
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+EK: Presenting the Introduction to TPAC ([https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t4AzNfPKc-oXwq1OScHgW2EFQZkFxQYMJUOV-VSXb4w/edit?usp=sharing)](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t4AzNfPKc-oXwq1OScHgW2EFQZkFxQYMJUOV-VSXb4w/edit?usp=sharing))
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+EK: Asks Co-Chairs to introduce themselves
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+AC: Introduces himself
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+RC: Introduces himself
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+EK: Introduces himself
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+EK: Back to presenting slides
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+AC: Takes over the podium and starts presenting - slides available:
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+[https://github.com/w3c-cg/webagents/tree/main/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/Slides](https://github.com/w3c-cg/webagents/tree/main/Meetings/2025-11-10-TPAC/Slides)
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+AC: Introduces Interoperability TF aims and objectives
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+AC: Overview of TF Report document structure
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+AC: Moving on to discuss the topic of Agents on the Web
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+AC: Presenting various historical perspectives on Agents (FIPA/Agent Cities; DARPA CoABS \& DAML)
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+AC: Now presenting Agents and Web Services \& unpacking a richer model of MAS: environments, agents and organisations.
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+AC: Moving on to discuss the role of the Web in this extended model.  This includes an explanation of affordances and how they are realised on the Web.
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+AC: Now discussing Architectural Design of hMAS
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+AC: Presented Design Goals
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+AC: Now presenting Architectural Patterns
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+AC: Moving on to Architectural Constraints
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+AC: Will skip the demonstrator
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+EK: Makes call for comments
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+Sarven: Can these agents misbehave / can the web be misused / what about accountability?
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+AC: Pointed out the relevent sections of the report \& that there are members of the CG who are active researchers in these topics.
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+Sarven: This is a good start
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+Lionel: Web Accessibility TF - method for making Web destinations clearer. There will be a presentation in 1hr that will discuss this topic and its relevence to Agentic.
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+AC: This is something we call "Exploration Guidance"
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+Lionel: Will bring the terminology
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+Vasily: From Block. We have lots of information on how to use tools and representation formats. What are the limitations/hurdles on what tools are available now
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+AC: Repeats: What are the biggest hurdles to using the web as it is now?
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+Vasily: Confirms this is the question
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+AC: It is tricky to deliver this without a shift - has parallels with Context Engineering;
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+AC: Levels of support - reflective level of support - choosing what to sense and when
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+AC: Perception is always the bottleneck
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+AC: Is there something missing from what we have covered so far?
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+Serven: Lot of talk about engineering? not enough about the impact on the web and on society
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+AC: Thanks - a great point. We could add a section on Ethical Considerations
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+RC: Definitely makes sense - we should consider it
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+AC: Perhaps we can have a CG session on this in the near future
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+Lionel: What other organisations are working in a similar domain?
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+AC: Great question - maybe there are other people that are better placed to answer this.
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+AC: We live in the age of open standards - there are many initiatives MCP, A2A, UTCP, that are industry-led and without being part of a standardization body.
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+AC: The main standardisation bodies: IETF, IEEE, ...
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+Kaliya Young: Runs an Internet Identity CG - 1st Agentic Identity Workshop?
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+[https://agenticinternetworkshop.org/](https://agenticinternetworkshop.org/)
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+AC: Definitely interested in exploring the intersection
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+Kaliya:  Setting up a second workshop, looking for a location, ..
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+AC: Moving back to the Demonstrator
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+AC: Two agents in a distributed hypermedia workspace for manufacturing
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+EK: Final Remarks
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+EK: Thank you for joining!